Jump to content

Talk:Head of state

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former featured article candidateHead of state is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 13, 2004Featured article candidateNot promoted

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added Items

[edit]

I took the liberty of adding some additional absolute monarchies. Saudi Arabia actually isn't the only absolute monarchy. Something this doesn't mention, the head of state in the UAE is actually a head of a royal family and has absolute monarchy within his given state. Faith15 13:38, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HEY! WHO TOOK MY EDITS DOWN?! Faith15 15:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 01:09, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

[edit]

There is a small typo in the first reference: Foakes, pp. 110–11 "[The head of state] being an embodiment of the State itself or representatitve of its international persona." It says representatitve instead of representative. Please correct it. 85.152.246.66 (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

[edit]

I find it remarkable that neither of the world's two most populous countries – respectively the world's most populous republic and world's most populous parliamentary democracy – have their heads of state included in the table. There seems to have been a deliberate decision taken to exclude non-Western countries. Currently we have six out of nine leaders shown as white European people, which is ridiculously out of step with global demographics. Asia – with 60% of the world's population – has one leader included. In addition, we have the leader of the Marshall Islands, a tiny U.S. client state with a population less than 40,000. I have attempted to rectify this but been reverted twice without explanation. GeebaKhap (talk) 14:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

India was represented until less than a month ago [1] when it was changed without discussion by User:JoshuaJ28. When I tried to revert it back I was reverted and slap with edit warring notices with the blatant lie that this was the long term version. GeebaKhap (talk) 14:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd strongly support the inclusion of the Indian president. Removing them and reverting without explanation or discussion is completely unacceptable behaviour. The original claim that India should be removed as it is an "electoral autocracy" is ridiculous and meritless. India held an election earlier this year in which the incumbent government took a significant hit and lost 60 seats in parliament while the opposition gained nearly 150. India is also a major source of readers for the English Wikipedia. I'd suggest removing either the president of the Marshall Islands due to size and significance or the president of Greece as Europe is already represented with France and the UK (plus the leaders of Brazil, Mexico and the US being of European descent) AusLondonder (talk) 14:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definition of Electoral autocracy: In these regimes, regular elections are held, but they are accused of failing to reach democratic standards of freedom and fairness. Elections also happen in Russia, which is electoral autocracy like India.[1] JoshuaJ28 (talk) 01:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-25/india-election-billionaire-raj-is-backing-modi-and-leading-to-autocracy

This is why I was opposed to adding the image table to this page. I knew sooner or later, editors would start complaining about the content. GoodDay (talk) 16:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GeebaKhap:, @AusLondonder:. @GoodDay: To avoid edit war over adding images of personal favourites, 3 points and 2 criteria have to be considered:

Points:
1) GDP (in top 3, continent wise)
2) HDI (above 0.700)
3) Democracy index (classified as "electoral/liberal democracy") (or) Freedom in the World (classified as "free", used only if Democracy index data not available for the specific country)

Criteria:
1) Atleast an image should represent every single continent (except Antarctica)
2) Atleast 3/9 images should represent women, according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red

All these points have to be satisfied in order to be included in the infobox. It should not be based on population (as more than 3 Asian countries and autocratic leaders will be overrepresented in this case).

Country GDP HDI Democracy
China 1st (Asia) HDI 0.788 closed autocracy
India 3rd (Asia) HDI 0.644 electoral autocracy
USA 1st (North America) HDI 0.927 liberal democracy
Indonesia 5th (Asia) HDI 0.713 electoral democracy
Pakistan 19th (Asia) HDI 0.540 electoral autocracy
Nigeria 4th (Africa) HDI 0.548 electoral autocracy
Brazil 1st (South America) HDI 0.760 electoral democracy
Bangladesh 15th (Asia) HDI 0.670 electoral autocracy
Russia 5th (Europe) HDI 0.821 electoral autocracy
United Kingdom 2nd (Europe) HDI 0.940 liberal democracy
Japan 2nd (Asia) HDI 0.920 liberal democracy
France 3rd (Europe) HDI 0.910 liberal democracy
Mexico 1st (North America) HDI 0.781 electoral democracy
South Africa 1st (Africa) HDI 0.717 electoral democracy
Greece 22nd (Europe) HDI 0.893 electoral democracy
Marshall Islands 11th (Oceania) HDI 0.731 93/100 in Fredom Index

GDP can be ignored only if it affects criteria1 and criteria2. But HDI should be medium (ranked below 160) and democracy point is must.

Greece and Marshall Islands were added (under criteria2). Although democracy index not available for Marshall Islands, it's rated "free" (93/100) in the Freedom index, according to 2024 report[1]. India also comes under criteria2, but does not satisfy the democracy point[2].

The current infobox representation is Africa 1 - Asia 1 - Europe 3 - North America 2 - Oceania 1 - South America 1, with 3 women leaders. The maximum limit for each continent have to be 3. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 01:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The most internationally known are the US President & British monarch. They thus should be included. GoodDay (talk) 01:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 01:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://freedomhouse.org/country/marshall-islands/freedom-world/2024
  2. ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56393944
No one suggested removing the US president or British monarch, so that's a strawman. AusLondonder (talk) 05:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
UK would be removed if you follow population based criteria suggested by @GeebaKhap:. Also it would make Asia way overrepresented with 5/6 leaders, Europe and Oceania would have no representation (as Russia is part of Eurasia). Currently Europe have 3 leaders, Asia and Oceania have 1 each. Many points and criteria were considered before adding leaders in the infobox to ensure fair representation. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 06:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, sorry but can you tell me where there was agreement reached on the "criteria" you have identified? The Bloomberg citation you have provided is an opinion piece. AusLondonder (talk) 05:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No there was no agreement reached yet. But the criteria was made to ensure NPOV and fair representation. It covers all aspects as of now. India being "electoral autocracy" should not be added until they improve in democracy rank[1]. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 06:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not support your criteria at all, you accuse others of "playing favourites" but you have invented a criteria that makes no sense and then ignored it to include your own favourites such as the Marshall Islands which is not even a fully sovereign state and has the population of a small town. GeebaKhap (talk) 06:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Marshall Islands is a fully sovereign state. Quoted from Marshall Islands and the United Nations: Although the Marshall Islands are sovereign, the Republic is bound by a Compact of Free Association with the United States. It was selected under the women leader criteria. I did not add my favourite leaders. And I didn't accuse anyone of "playing favourites". Please follow Wikipedia:Civility during discussion and avoid Wikipedia:No personal attacks. JoshuaJ28 (talk) 06:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-one-of-the-worst-autocratisers-v-dem-report-on-democracy/article67939573.ece

RfC on infobox images

[edit]

As the previous discussions didn't solve the dispute, I'm starting Rfc now to let more users comment on this and trying to reach a consensus. This Rfc is about the lead images in this article.

1) Continue with the current method - of three points (GDP, HDI and Democracy index) and two criteria (continental and women representation)
2) Change it to population-based method - would affect NPOV in continental and women represenation
3) Other methods - any other new method with NPOV
4) Remove it totally - as it causes frequent edit war over adding and removing images.

I prefer '1)' as it ensures NPOV with continential representation (NA 2, SA 1, EU 3, AF 1, AS 1, OC 1) and women representation (3 leaders). JoshuaJ28 (talk) 07:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Head_of_state&oldid=1256118333"